Subject: P&W Digest archive/v1n2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 88 14:46:28 EDT Perverts and Weirdos Digest, v.1 #2 (ROT13) Sun Aug 7 21:25:33 EDT 1988 WARNING: This digest may contain sexually explicit material. Do not decrypt it if you find this type of material offensive. To submit an article to P&W Digest, mail, DO NOT POST, your contribution to: pwdigest@alembic.UUCP. If your mailer is incapable of Internet-style addressing, try the following paths or consult the pathalias database: ...uunet!inco!alembic!pwdigest ...sun!sundc!inco!alembic!pwdigest If you're on the Arpanet, try: inco!alembic!pwdigest%uunet.uu.net It may also to be possible to 'R'eply to P&W Digest postings. If you include referenced text in a reply, please edit it as much as possible. Comments about the Digest which you don't want published should be addressed to mack@alembic.UUCP. Dave Mack, mack@alembic.UUCP ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jul 88 02:07:02 EDT From: Robert & Susan Subject: What's my perversion Summary: We'll tell you ours if you tell us yours We're into bondage. More precisely, I'm into putting my wife into bondage. Once a month or so, this otherwise unremarkable hacker and his yuppie wife play a game. I might be a burglar who ties up his sleeping victim, or a pirate kidnapping the daughter of a wealthy duke. She is the comely wench, the frightened coed, or the captured amazon princess. Sometimes it's just physical. No fantasty, just restraint and sexual arousal. How long can she stand being licked after she's come from oral sex? Without restraint she can't get "over the plateau." The feelings are too intense and she has to stop. Bound, she can have multiple orgasms and reach levels of pleasure she can't achieve any other way. I've been on the receiving end, too. My first lover was "saving herself" for marriage, but apparently Catholic girls can masturbate and have oral sex with far less guilt. She wasn't submissive at all, but she enjoyed tying me to the bed and then bringing me to orgasm either manually or orally (she even swallowed the come, only girl friend I ever had who enjoyed that). She practiced teasing me and seeing how long she could take. I reached Nirvana quite a few times myself, that way. She found the idea in "The Joy of Sex." The funny thing was, she still considered herself a "virgin" after years of being a cocksucking dominatrix! Well, maybe not a true dominatrix -- no whips or leather. Just rope. We tried things the other way around, but she hated being tied up. We split up, but after that I was hooked on bondage. I decided that I wanted to do most of the tying. So I subscribed to a "correspondence magazine" called "The Latent Image." Put in an ad and answered a few myself. I exchanged letters (and nude photos) with a lot of nice people, but it seems that the only people who read this magazine are either single men or couples. I did go to one "orgy." Seems a couple wanted to live out the wife's fantasy of a gang bang. They invited me and three other guys to a one-time-only, Halloween gang-bang. It was fun, but I found that I couldn't relax enough to come with four other men watching me. I wasn't the only guy who had that problem. Sort of gives one a new respect for porno actors. But I learned that raw sex just didn't have the appeal and the energy you get out of an intense, loving relationship. So I set out to find another woman like my first girl friend, only more submissive. During this period of my life, I found another magazine -- "Bondage Life". Its put out by a company called "Harmony Communications," and it contains a large reader's letters section. Although some of the letters are obviously made up, quite a few are from apparently normal couples who like bondage too. The magazine focuses on consentual play, rather than the violent tone found in most bondage pornography. It did convince me that some women (albeit a very few) were submissive, or at least enjoyed playing the role. I decided to find one for myself. That turns out to be real hard, because the few who actually enjoyed playing the game went to great lengths to conceal their desire (or willingness) to play at bondage. Some men have told me that they could spot submissive women by their walk or their dress or their mannerisms. Maybe they can and maybe they can't -- I couldn't. Then I found my wife. I spotted her in a grocery store in the produce section, wearing a sexy summer dress and sandals. I did just what the magazines say to do: stand nearby and squeeze fruit, then make eye contact. Act like a helpless male "How can you tell whether these melons are ripe?" I discovered that she lived nearby. The next time I saw her at the store, I got her phone number and made arrangements for a date. She wasn't Catholic, and soon we were lovers. One afternoon we were in her bed cuddling. On an, impulse I pinned her hands over her head and kissed her deeply. She responded by melting into the bed and asking for more. We made love with more force than before, and afterwards as we were lying together making "pillow" talk, I asked how she felt when I pinned her hands. She said it made her feel weak, and she liked the way that I felt strong. My ears pricked when I heards what she said next, "Like I was tied up and couldn't resist." I asked her if she liked the idea of being tied up, and she said she wasn't sure. I told her a little about my fantasy, and she listened uneasily. Interested, but scared too. The next day I showed her one of the issues of "Bondage Life." She read some of the letters and agreed to try it. She discovered as I had the intensity of oral sex when you are bound spread-eagled. At first she didn't enjoy the actual restraint or the "ritualistic" parts of the game, but she did enjoy the physical sensations of multiple orgasms. I enjoyed teasing her and having control over her response. Since then she's been my part-time sex-slave, and we've had a lot of fun. She's performed "assignments" way beyond <3068@sdsu.UUCP>'s "Computer Domination" post. The P&W digest may be a good place to describe some of them. We also correspond through the B&D underground. There are a lot of people who advertise in magazines like "Latent Image" for photo exchange, which we used to do a lot of. We've even written one story about our experiences that was published in "B&D Pleasures #44". But this is the first time we've done anything on the network. We're very worried about anonymity, here. But we have let our curiousity get the better of us, because what we really want to know is: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @ @ @ Is there anybody else out there like us? @ @ @ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ You may be shy about the network, too. If you are, you can write to [[ P.O. Box address deleted. See comment below. - dm]]. We answer all of our mail. We correspond and exchange photos (but we do not meet other people). There have also been reports that there are several BBS's devoted to bondage (at least one regular contributor to Bondage Life is on a BBS), but we've never found a phone number. Send us a number, or post it to alt.sex, and you'll get more details than we'd ever be willing to post to the Internet. Maybe even a scanned image, if I can get anonymous access to a scanner. -- Robert & Susan [[ I deleted the address they gave. If I receive email from Robert and Susan specifically requesting that it be posted, I'll do so. In my opinion, this is not a good idea. This is not a mailing-list: everyone who reads the net (or at least everyone whose site gets alt.sex) can decrypt and read this, and inevitably there will be some who feel that they're on some insane mission from Ghod to harass people who enjoy things that are outside of the ordinary. I suggest that such personal information (even blind PO Box numbers) be confined to e-mail. Readers who want to make contact with P&W Digest contributors can post requests to alt.sex. This brings me to the second part of this long-winded editorial comment: is there any interest out there in either a P&W contact service or a mailing list? The contact service would solve the problem of getting in touch with P&W Digest contributors: you send a contact request in and I'll forward it to the contributor, then you can start an email conversation without me as an intermediary. The mailing list would be the standard thing, except that I would send the stuff out encrypted. The problem with both of these ideas is that they require that I maintain address lists, something that I promised not to do in order to protect the anonymity of the contributors. alembic is my home machine, and the security is tighter than most Unix systems, but... Any comments on these ideas would be welcome. - dm ]] ------------------------------------------------------------------------